Encouraging family planning in poor countries is a prerequisite for this. G.K. Chesterton believed that often the first step for a convert is the decision to be fair to the Catholic Church. The host of "The Sean Hannity Show" revealed in a clip shared with The Christian Post that despite attending Catholic school for 12 years, he is no longer affiliated with the Catholic Church due to “too much institutionalized corruption” that has not been “rectified.” Let's say "I am convinced that wanting to change people who are engaging in any of these three behaviours and prevent them from engaging in these behaviours freely" - this is the response I have seen from catholics and the catholic church with regards to these issues and I do not think it is the right one. By January. 13 Roman Catholic Beliefs I No Longer Embrace. Being male, however, seems not negotiable. There's much more to respond to here, but I can very clearly see that your philosophical musings on Religion seem...rather juvenile. Find more subreddits like r/Catholicism -- /r/Catholicism is a place to present new developments in the world of Catholicism, discuss theological teachings of the Catholic Church, provide an avenue for reasonable dialogue amongst people of all beliefs, and grow in our own spirituality. Those seem mutually exclusive. We know of Mary, the Mother of Jesus. At this point I realized something interesting: the bible and the church said something that I found morally wrong. The eldest of three daughters. It cannot boil down to a simple list of do's and don'ts that can apply regardless of context. I've never met a man who was scared of the fact that women give birth. How was this possible if I had supposedly inherited my morals from religion and could not be "good without God"? I’m from a large Catholic family — five sisters and two brothers, most of whom left the Church years ago for a multitude of reasons. If Jesus is supernatural, then there's a good case for his divinity. This does not mean that "people" are the root cause of social ills. Leaving is painful. I measure morality of people by the impact they make on this planet, as this is the only measurement we have that does not rely on things that are beyond evidence. Completely arbitrary characteristic selected. How to we judge morality? The idea that the Fall has such an effect that we cannot even know or do what is moral without being Christian is a Protestant idea, not a Catholic one. Catholic Christianity offers the world the fullness of … Catholic Christianity offers the world the fullness of the Christian Faith. In all of my religion/theology classes this question was not asked, nor answered. I was a cradle catholic and my father is still a deacon. Beyond that conspiracies tend to be...leaky. 5. So...what should we be striving for? I’m from a large Catholic family — five sisters and two brothers, most of whom left the Church years ago for a multitude of reasons. Sorry, I didn’t word that very well. The same is true of pregnancies that could threaten the life of the mother and that, if terminated, would contribute to the health of a human being without creating suffering for another human being (we know at which point in pregnancy the central nervous system develops to the point that a fetus can feel pain, before this point, you cannot reasonable argue that the fetus can suffer). The Pope is devoid of fun . This argument doesn't convince me, because dozens of people have died for things I believe to be untrue or bad, including other religions. Here are some reasons why. Find more subreddits like r/Catholicism -- /r/Catholicism is a place to present new developments in the world of Catholicism, discuss theological teachings of the Catholic Church, provide an avenue for reasonable dialogue amongst people of all beliefs, and grow in our own spirituality. Illness: we all know how HIV spreads and we know that using condoms can prevent the spread of HIV. The fact that this horribly, scandal ridden, corrupt organization of incompetent old farts survived 2 weeks after the ascension is proof God is behind the church. NOBLESVILLE, Ind. The U.S. Navy reversed a controversial cost-cutting decision to suspend most contracts for Catholic priests, a move that would have canceled Catholic Masses at Naval bases in Southern California. And yes, the 'virginity' of Mary was likely introduced in the bible through a translation error; and even if it was not, it is only mentioned in parts of the bible that are recognized to have human authorship. Since you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, its consequences will follow, the virginal birth being one of them. Be a scientist, man! This is a funny joke but it's not only persuasively useless it probably turns off a sincere pursuer of truth to the idea of taking seriously he who utters it in earnest as a response to OPs question, I want to address the last part of your post; your last question: "Wasn’t it all just fabricated to control or give hope to people?". I am sorry if it came off as bitter, as I said, I am very happy in my life currently and rough patches just help us become better people. Also, contrary to your claim, the idea of the Virgin Birth is not based on a translation error. Luke 8.1-3 (RSV-CE): Soon afterwards he went on through cities and villages, proclaiming and bringing the good news of the kingdom of God. What do you want me to answer? Catholic theologians know next to nothing. /r/Catholic is a place to present new developments in the world of Catholicism, discuss theological teachings of the Catholic Church, provide an avenue for reasonable dialogue amongst people of all beliefs, and grow in our own spirituality. Can you provide examples of arguments that you would not consider juvenile, please? This argument makes no sense whatsoever, the conclusions simply do not follow from the premises in any way, shape or form. Out of respect for them and for my family, I do not advertise my departure from faith. In May 2005, protests over Marymount Manhattan College’s May 20 commencement address by pro-abortion Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton led to a dispute over whether Marymount is Catholic. LinkedIn. Sadly, in past 20 years or so, the Catholic Church has moved so far from Vatican II that I can no longer feel a part of it. The longer Latin Mass involved elaborate choreography, and the priest's back was toward the pews. Shouldn't there be just as many atheists suddenly becoming basically St. Francis (except without a belief in any God), if this is natural in humans? 3. Roman Catholicism - Roman Catholicism - Beliefs and practices: The idea of faith shared by all Christian churches is rooted in the New Testament. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of "lapsed" in relation to "lapsed Catholic" is "no longer believing or following the teachings of a religion". when Sarah’s book debacle took place, there was nary a mention of Sarah’s papability in the alt-Catholic press. The first group apparently had no trouble find romance, and with there being so many in the second group, it leads … Everything Wrong with the Catholic Dating Scene Read More » Now religion certainly does give people hope but that's not a function of human agency or a conspiracy. Help for abuse victims is available at the Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline at 800-4 … Being male, however, seems not negotiable. Male authorship, rather. Unlike at any other time in history, we can put an end to poverty today. But the New Testament idea of faith is not simple; indeed, it possesses a breadth of meaning that has led to varying understandings, even within a single Christian communion. I think it is that I believe that many of the suppositions that society tells us are true today are ugly and false, and you believe the opposite. This does in no way make procreation less of a 'miracle' (for lack of a better word). There cannot be two absolute authorities. Because it's possible to have false opinions about morality? Okay. Any other institution that lost one-third of its members would want to know why. Think of Jonestown; Lots of seemingly normal, middle-class people gave their lives to a man they believed was a messiah. Poor wording on my part. In fact, I love spending time inside old churches. Leaving is painful. I personally preach that “love your neighbor as you love yourself”, and try very hard to live by it. One group is falling in love and getting married. This doesn't make much sense to us, since, you know, we believe in His Divinity and that would Intrinsically make Him not chauvinistic and it contradicts the teachings in Scripture where he very much goes against society in, you know, everything he does (healing the lepers thus making himself ritualistically unclean, speaking to the Samaritan woman at the well, speaking to the Canaanite woman and telling her she can achieve salvation, dining with tax collectors and prostitutes, etc). There seems to be a strange dichotomy among young Catholics. We know of Mary, the mother of James and John. The other half is frequently using the hashtag #ForeverAlone in their tweets and Instagram posts. There’s definitely not a record of popes going back 2000 years. So I can only assume that it must have broken his heart when he sat me down for a talk that day. The U.S. Navy reversed a controversial cost-cutting decision to suspend most contracts for Catholic priests, a move that would have canceled Catholic Masses at Naval bases in Southern California. They are not. Up to this day, I remember my conversation with her. Explains how and why I left the Roman Catholic Church and the purpose of this series I wouldn’t call that proof... islam, Judaism, buddishm, Hinduism, and many other religions are very old as well. It is easier to say "homosexuality is immoral because the church says this and the bible also states it in verses XYZ" than to actually sit down and think hard about what you think of homosexuality and find an answer to whether or not it is immoral based on the harm that different outcomes inflict on different parties involved, the rights of different individuals concerned and other relevant factors. As a social scientist with a love for anthropology, I know full well that the argument "but all his disciples were men" doesn't hold water. I should mention that we never got married in church. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the Catholicism community. It just didn't make sense. It is as if I have been abandoned by the Church I knew and love. It does also not mean that the answers are relative to the person who answers the question. They diminish human well-being, happiness and dignity. I have been a Catholic my whole life and was inspired by Vatican II which tuaght me what church is meant to be. The churches position flows from other points - so what? Rosary (Pixabay/Myriams-Fotos) Five hundred years ago, on Oct. 31, 1517, a massive, spiritual, paradigm shift took place. Where did you get the idea that condemnation is the response you're supposed to have as a Catholic? This subreddit is for any and all ex-Catholics to talk, educate, discuss and maybe even bitch about their experiences within the Catholic Church. Lapsing is thus not necessarily connected with a lack of belief. My morality stems in part from the bible and other philosophical texts but it is also based on what I know as a scientist and what I have experienced as a human being. My dad, who is a professor of catholic theology, came home from work that day and I guess he was conflicted about it. The people who likely selected it? Clearly, I seemed to have another standard against which I was judging these things. Today, the cards for ending poverty once and for all are in our hands. She is one of the best people I could have met and her advice was sound. It means "young woman", it bears connotations of being unmarried, which in that context was a (necessary but not sufficient) indicator of virginity. Edit: Thank you all for your responses. Over time, NLQ has developed into a … Observe the real world. Yet I remember this incident as the first time I saw a wall raised up in front of me for no other reason than my gender. That’s down … How was this possible if I had supposedly inherited my morals from religion and could not be "good without God"? I am sorry you have experienced a lot of pain, brokenness and suffering and misunderstanding in your life, and that you have such anger and bitterness towards the Church and don't see the beauty, life, and truth in her or in her sacraments and teaching. I love your first point, but I think there's even more to it: Professing the Crucifixion was "foolishness to the Jews and a stumbling block to the Gentiles." We know of many women throughout history who have been integral to the spread of Christianity. Like none. Ok. You are right about this. ... As a follower of Jesus, I can no longer endorse what the Scripture does not uphold. I'm No Longer a Catholic. And we would disagree on how to answer that question. Ireland is different from the Anglosphere because its pretty debatable whether we’re actually a part of it at all. > **Note: This subreddit is a support forum and not a … It’s a truth claim. I just do not believe in God anymore. If I could have stayed in church for the other stuff, I'd have done so. Where do you get the idea that "the life-giving power of the female" is "so scary to men"? I can take an absolutist stance and say that everyone should aim for abstinence and whoever cannot reach that ideal can just have HIV, or I can take a pragmatist stance and promote the method with the lowest barrier of entry so that as many people as possible can benefit from not getting HIV. Ultimately, though, the Church (and Her followers) subscribe to moral absolutism (but not the secular definition). Sure, the existence of persons is a necessary condition of the possibility of social ills, but acting as though abortion and condoms would solve that is like saying that we ought to just shoot all elephants to stop elephant poaching. Suddenly the contradictions become unbearable because I am not against any of these things. In 2018-19, 47% of Latinos identified as Catholic. Over time, NLQ has developed into a … Wasn’t it all just fabricated to control or give hope to people? At this point I realized something interesting: the bible and the church said something that I found morally wrong. In addition to being male, all disciples probably wore sandals, had long hair and were circumcised. Catholicity (from Ancient Greek: καθολικός, romanized: katholikós, lit. The Catholic Church isn’t even historical. "We don't want your dirty capitalist pig dollars". Throughout my life, some of the best people I have met were and still are catholics. If we are free to develop our own standards of morality, then by what standard can you look at the Church and say, "Those standards are wrong"? I agree with that last part a lot. While I no longer believe in the divinity of Jesus, I enjoy reading the bible as a work of literature and philosophy. In any case, you've got my upvote, because in the very least you'll be providing a fun discussion. To which my response is...duh. It’s a truth claim. So clearly, virginity is something that matters to men and not God. Roman Catholicism - Roman Catholicism - Beliefs and practices: The idea of faith shared by all Christian churches is rooted in the New Testament. 02/28/2012 06:03 pm ET Updated Apr 29, 2012 There are so many perspectives on the Obama/Catholic Church contraception debate that it is hard to keep track. 1. Press J to jump to the feed. My only hole I can think to poke in this is that the documentation could’ve been hyperbolic. Many of my best friends are from there, invariably, they are deeply religious. 4. To me personally, this is what I keep coming back to time and again when I think "Is Catholicism true?" Practically speaking, this would mean that a priest no longer functioned outwardly as a priest. Study finds US Latinos are no longer majority-Catholic. Catholics Will No Longer Recite 'And Also With You' The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has released the official text of a new English-language translation to the Roman Catholic … The Church's position on all of them flows from other points (the goodness of material reality, the value of human life, the end of man, etc). But what if I say, "No they are not. One could not grow up Catholic and not be familiar with the crucifixion narrative in which it was women at the foot of the cross as all the men but John fled. The word itself says nothing about the state of that woman's hymen however. The Catholic Church isn’t even historical. He would no longer engage in ministry within his diocese or religious institute; no longer celebrate Mass or confer the sacraments; no longer be called “Father” or wear clerical clothing; and no longer be supported financially by the Church. That’s why I’m Catholic: because I believe Catholicism is true. This has blown out of proportion a bit, I was not expecting that many comments and have trouble keeping up, especially with longer contributions, as I was typing mostly from my phone. You are free to condemn me or disagree with me. How does this change the fact that in the Catholic Church, women have a marginal role compared to men? I notice also that you don't provide any actual arguments for why these three acts are acceptable, merely that your "individual-freedom based approach to life" clashes with them. 5:00PM EST 12/2/2017 Mike Shreve. Simply because you think something is wrong doesn't mean that it is wrong. We know of many women throughout history who have been integral to the spread of Christianity. If you would like to make a prayer request, please submit a comment in our weekly prayer request thread stickied at the top of the main page.. The wonder of procreation, the life-giving power of the female, so scary to men. Divorcing was the best decision of my life. We cannot have this on our conscience, at least I cannot, and I think no Christian can either. I always struggle with this argument in favor of the Resurrection. What twisted logic is this? Thus, your very first objection is rooted in disagreement with an argument no one makes and a lack of very basic New Testament knowledge. Yet I cannot deny the simple fact that family planning would go a long way towards solving all of these issues: poverty, illness and unwanted pregnancies. I answered this. I think there where more than 12 that died horrible deaths, for believing in Christ. So clearly, virginity is something that matters to men and not God. The host of "The Sean Hannity Show" revealed in a clip shared with The Christian Post that despite attending Catholic school for 12 years, he is no longer affiliated with the Catholic Church due to “too much institutionalized corruption” that has not been “rectified.” Why I am no longer a catholic. I hear the sadness in her voice when she offers to pray for me now more than ever. I can only provide anecdotal evidence to you that you can discard as you wish: personally, I have found that my behaviour is overall more responsible, more altruistic and more conducive to my well-being and that of the people around me now that I have to make ethical decisions that are no longer based on the pre-defined answers provided by religious doctrine. It's odd that you claim to have studied this at length but make many basic errors, often basic errors involving the New Testament, which presumably would have been the first thing you turned to for answers. One of three people who were raised Catholic no longer identifies as Catholic. This word was understood as "virgin" by Jews. (or woman, whichever.) Thirdly, Mary had to have been a virgin or else God did not really become man in the Incarnation (Jn 1.14), nor did God give us His own Son, but someone else's. The Oxford American Writer's Thesaurus associates the term "lapsed Catholic" as one who is backsliding. I am in the final stages of my PhD and soon moving on to new research projects. They did not use the generic Greek term for 'woman' (γυνή), but the word which specifically means 'virgin' (παρθένος). Who are you to say that your moral standard is better than mine?". This continues: Two thousand years ago in Galilea, society would not have allowed women to follow an itinerant preacher. Vyckie Garrison started No Longer Quivering to tell the story of her “escape” from the Quiverfull movement. Well, kid, that's how resurrection works. See - you're subscribing to relativism, yet at the same time contradicting it because you are holding morality to a specific standard that the Catholic Church does not live up to. If it is true that the marital act has two ends that are (1) ordered toward procreative ends and (2) are intrinsically unitive, then it is true that to violate that order is to violate the person, and therefore a disordered action. That extreme thing was the Resurrection, which again was absurd (case in point, even Thomas, a disciple of Jesus, didn't believe it at first). In 2018-19, 47% of Latinos identified as Catholic. I believe Catholic Christianity to be true, because after doing a lot of reading, asking questions, and conducting a general examination of the matter, I believe it to be the most coherent and authentic sort of Christianity, and the one that offers the best chance for the salvation of its believers. This admits many serious implications, primarily that Jesus was secretly a chauvinist at heart and bound by the laws of society. In fact, I am convinced that condemining people for engaging in any of these three behaviours does NOT make me a better person, quite the opposite. Off the top of my head, Martha, Mary Magdalene, his Mother, Joanna, Susanna, Mary of Bethany, Mary Salome, Priscilla, and Dorcas are all identified as important early disciples, and I'm certain I've missed some. The additional children do not suffer in this, as they quite simply are potential and not real. In fact, they are very good for me, and you have no right to judge, because we are all responsible for developing our own moral standards. In May 2005, protests over Marymount Manhattan College’s May 20 commencement address by pro-abortion Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton led to a dispute over whether Marymount is Catholic. Reddit. Lapsing is thus not necessarily connected with a lack of belief. Does that mean that the churches position on these issues is right because it flows from other points, which in turns are based on assumptions that cannot be corroborated by evidence? told me Jesus never existed because there isn't a body. Like he’s even written a single book. And yet 3,000 are said to have converted that day. Breadcrumb Trail Links. Jesus broke with social norms all throughout the Gospels. I am not bitter at all. No Longer Catholic It is becoming increasingly difficult to find a good Catholic college these days, particularly because so many Catholic colleges are Catholic in name only. Poverty has existed throughout history. The more people involved in a conspiracy, the more chances that someone will spill the beans. Citizens of Jerusalem would have definitely seen the Crucifixion happen (the Romans made it public on purpose), and I don't think they would have just bought the story of a few outcast Jewish men that "this man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. I'd respond to these, but think it futile because of what I mentioned above. They were regular folks (St. Ignatius of Loyola is a good example, pre-cannonball). /r/Catholicism is a place to present new developments in the world of Catholicism, discuss theological teachings of the Catholic Church, provide an avenue for reasonable dialogue amongst people of all beliefs, and grow in our own spirituality. I am Catholic because I am convinced the Church is the only place I will find the fullness of truth and joy. Why Are You? Abstinence and/or birth control are a good way of preventing unwanted pregnancies but they do not apply in the case of rape, or in cases where the mother discovers during a pregnancy that carrying the child to term puts her own life at risk. I have to wonder if we are being trolled here. I'm No Longer a Catholic. What standard are we ultimately holding to if we can develop our own standards? – Guerin Catholic High School says the students who appeared in a social media video brutally mocking another student are no longer … to profess that not only the promised Messiah, but God Himself had died on the Cross. How was this possible if I had supposedly inherited my morals from religion and could not be "good without God"? Digg. Male authorship, rather. Of course, if your definition of being moral is "following religious precepts enshrined in catholicism" then you have a wonderful circular argument. Yet...they did. We can do a certain amount of it on our own, and we settle for that, but there are many examples of Catholic people who went way beyond what we can do on our own. I don't believe in any of that anymore. Two thousand years ago in Galilea, society would not have allowed women to follow an itinerant preacher. Church ( and her advice was sound was this possible if I been. 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